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Comment from: ver0 Visitor
Comment from: gr8dude Member
Vero, did you know beforehand that this would work? Or was it decided at “run time"?
Comment from: ver0 Visitor
You see the situation here is a bit different than yours. We enrolled after the 11th form and not 12th. So we studied 1 year at IA and then we decided to apply for FAF. We were told that it is not possible to transfer from IA to FAF. After a F2F discussion with the dean he decided to give us a chance as we were “good girls” :D
Comment from: gr8dude Member
Aha, I didn’t know that (I mean, that you were there from the 11th, not that you’ re “good girls” :-).
The current policy is non-transparent and absolutely not user friendly. The fact that the guy “forgot” to tell me that it was possible cost me 4*priceOfContract.
It is not a fortune, but it is >0 and I’m sure I’d find a way to use that money for noble purposes :-)
It gives me a sad feeling, I wonder what happened to other students. Maybe some good people didn’t make it at all because they couldn’t afford to pay themselves?
Comment from: HareyKelvin Visitor
You must be aware of the fact that in the last three years the enrollment procedure has changed - all FAF students are selected among the FCIM students according to the results of the English and math tests they pass upon demanding inscription in the first week of September. Nonetheless, exceptions are made, and, in the case of my former class, students were invited to join the section up to mid-October, as several yettoprovethemselvesfafers decided to leave for Romania (insofar as about 9-10 entries were erased-rewritten-updated-removed-added in all the conceivable registers and useless lists (having been charged to the responsibility of wasting my breaks on doing this, at some point I decided not to even bother memorizing the names of my colleagues until the spring semester (that was unwise, yet successful))). However, most of us knew about the possibility of a transfer and some had chosen the initial sections on a financial-lowestpossibleranking basis.
Anyway, what surprised me was that there seemed to be no way of finding out about FAF’s existence except the de-bouche-à-oreille system. Had some reckless butterfly try weird maneuvers, I would have ended up at USM, following the track my brother chose five years previously. But I was lucky (story involving other, hard-to-digest-gastro-persistent butterflies) and after almost a year of drawing rhodonea curves and being told fascinating stories about the fantastic world of FAF, I knew exactly what I was aiming at during the admission process. And so did 3 of my classmates, even if they were told slightly modified stories :).
This year I was part of the recruiting team, and I admit being shocked by students’ unwillingness to apply because they feared the math test. I mean they looked HORRIFIED by the idea of having their basic English and math skills evaluated. Intrigued by the astonishingblablablaopportunities, when the subject of “just a little examination, mostly a formality” brought up, most wouldn’t even listen, and it took us (two girls, we had to exploit the “And we have more girls (most of which are cute, me being a recruitment error) argument") an enormous amount of smiles (would have been able to sell iPhones to luddites) just to make them want to give a try.
A fortiori, I would say that more good people didn’t make it because they didn’t want to try than because of not affording it.
tl;dr It’s different nowadays but students reject being tested and refuse to apply.
Comment from: gr8dude Member
I don’t think the essence of the procedure has changed. I enrolled in.. hm… ~2001? I had two additional exams: mathematics, English. The results were then filtered by someone (supposedly Mr. Miglei). The steps I went through were pretty much the same, this is what I meant when I wrote “FAF filter".
The reason I returned to this story and comment is because a new FAF site is about to be launched, and the “how to enroll” page gives me the impression that it is one of those “anyone can make it” situations.
It is true that some students are horrified by the sound of the word “exam” or “mathematics", but it is also true that a number of students who become FAFfers are:
- clueless people who don’t belong to UTM in general, let alone FAF
- unable to write a sentence in English without making a mistake
- incapable of formulating a thought that is more complex than “Hello, my name is %s”
The enrollment procedure must definitely be reviewed. We need better marketing, but also well-calibrated bullshit-meters.
Comment from: JohnGandakov Visitor
Is the FAF entry exam at math really difficult or it just covers the basics? Are there some problems that need some special tricks, as at olympiads, or these are just something like “teste de bacalaureat” ? Thank you for your potential reply !
Comment from: gr8dude Member
I think you’re better off asking a student who passed this exam in the previous years, as I am too “old” to give you a fresh response.
From what I remember, the exam was a regular one, there were no traps or convoluted exercises designed to make you suffer (-:
Good luck, I hope you’ve made it!
Comment from: JohnGandakov Visitor
Are FAF exams really tough? I may finally answer my own question just for everyone that may be interested in. FAF exams are really easy, just like bacalaureat ones(english test I guess is the easiest one). The only problems I’ve encountered were the probability or some combinatorics related questions, but all in all it was a no-stress exam. So for those with good results at bacalaureat there is no problem being enrolled into FAF. I hope this message will be of some use to someone, because it really bothered me for a period of time.
haha, nice one. and FYI, me and Diana also transferred from informatics and applied languages :D